Gay gamer’s Gamertag banned from LIVE |
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| BY Matthew Razak May. 14th, 2008 | More on: |
Anyone who has spent any amount of time playing games on Xbox LIVE knows that it isn’t the friendliest place for gay gamers. The word gay gets thrown around as an insult so often (even by people who don’t think that they’re homophobic) that I don’t know how any gay gamer gets through a match of Halo without being seriously insulted. Now Microsoft has taken it to another level by banning a gay gamer who’s Xbox LIVE Gamertag is ‘theGAYERgamer’. Why? Because of general complaints from the community.
Grant, theGAYERgamer, wrote in to The Consumerist about his experience saying, “I have had a bad morning. Last night when i tried to sign into my xbox live account “thegayergamer” I was told that it had to be changed. I figured that it was just from people reporting it as an offensive name being that the greater Xbox live community isn’t exactly welcome to gay people, i spend a lot of time muting people on Halo3. I assumed that once i called Microsoft they would straighten things out.
“I talked to a supervisor there, Roxy, who told me that she didn’t personally find the fact that my gamer tag had gay in the name offensive, but that the greater Xbox community did, so i would have to change it. I hope I’m not the only person who finds this don’t ask, don’t tell policy disgusting… eek.”
There are two options here. Either everyone thought that Grant was homophobic and chose the nick in order to insult gays, or, the rest of the community is a bunch of idiots and found the fact that the word gay appeared in a Gamertag highly offensive. I wish it was the former but the latter seems far more likely from my experiences over LIVE. That’s fine and dandy really. Those people are entitled to their opinion on gays and, while I strongly disagree with it, they can voice their opinion however they want.
What isn’t right is that Microsoft would react to complaints that are based on hate and bigotry. If it’s an automatic thing after a few complaints come in, why wouldn’t Microsoft give him back his account the second he called in and explained the situation? Grant has every right to have the word gay in his Gamertag, unless I missed something and gay has become a curse word or being gay has become highly offensive.
May 14th, 2008
at 6:32 pm
Lame, how about they ban or start suspending accounts of all the 14 year-old gangsta wannabies, or the kids/adults that like being offensive because they think it’s funny, or are just ignorant?
This is one of the downsides of LIVE, while it is a great service, the gap between policing it and keeping it “civil” I find severely lacking.
There needs to be some very definitive rules, and they should be monitored and stuck too. F the “file a complaint” or avoid player options. They need to seriously get a contigent that is monitoring these games because the way some people act on LIVE is disgusting. I mean if you happen to get a girl gamer during a game of CoD4, Halo, or GTA IV? Forget about it.
Then stuff like this happens and while I understand where it may offend some under the “user rules agreement”, it’s outrageous that you still have to suffer through some of the other nonsense that goes on during a gaming session in live.
My 2 cents
May 14th, 2008
at 6:49 pm
This could get very messy. Unless ofcourse this was an automated response to so many requests, Microsoft were very foolish to bring sexuality into it, they really should have contacted the guy with an informal enquiry about his gamertag before taking any action.
By just acting without explaining themselves they really have muddied the waters as to their position on the topic. If they are against perceived homophobia then why didnt his gamertag get unblocked as soon as they realised he was gay? Unless ofcourse LIVE is stuck in 40’s and thinks sexuality is something that should be repressed at all costs…
May 14th, 2008
at 6:51 pm
I think you are over reacting, homosexuality is about sex, sex with people of the same sex to be specific. Some people don’t want there young kids exposed to sex in any form before a certain age. When you call yourself gaygamer, you are saying, I am a gamer who likes to have sex with men. Why you would choose to state such a fact on a gaming network I have no idea, but just because you see fit to do so should not mean the rest of us have to let our kids listen to you.
Keep in mind these same people may be the ones who use all the filters and parental controls for XBL, problem is you can’t block obscene gamertags without first seeing them, im not sure if you can make them invisible at all, so just change your name and keep sexual politics off the digital playground.
May 14th, 2008
at 7:47 pm
@Jackson
Games and TV both freely use the concept of homosexuality both in fiction and reality. Why should a gamertag not allow it? There is a block function on Xbox live anyway, is there not?
As far as Gay automatically meaning sex, what about a platonic gay relationship? That has nothing to do with sex, yet still gay. By your logic, the fact that you even mention having kids equates to parading around that you had sex with a woman in order to produce them.
May 14th, 2008
at 7:52 pm
Gotta agree with Dave on this one. Anyway, if you’re child is playing on LIVE he is going to be hearing the word gay thrown around a lot and sadly it is an insult. Wouldn’t it be smarter to sit down with your child and discuss what gay means instead of blocking it from their mind? As Dave pointed out you don’t even have to bring sex into it, just talk to them the same way you’d describe a heterosexual couple.
May 14th, 2008
at 9:12 pm
Gay is homosexual behavior. This is wrong sinful disgusting in every culture known to humans. Why do we in America or on Xbox live have to put up with evil behavior. It is a choice not something you are born with. It is an unlawful and disgusting shameful behavior. It is a choice just like any other behavior. If they want us to approve it, they need to think again and you PC people need to get you heads on straight because if you don’t know the homosexual bunch wants to use all your young kids for their disgusting behavior. Yes that is right. Go check out their objective is you don’t believe me. Thank you MS for putting a stop to it!
May 14th, 2008
at 9:12 pm
Good, I hate gay people who tout that they are gay. Fuck, just keep it to yourself.
May 14th, 2008
at 9:47 pm
so you say it’s better that the kids see all that violence in an fps but not good to hear about sex?
May 14th, 2008
at 9:53 pm
I think we can all agree that whatever sexual preference a person chooses to align themselves with is their own decision. If someone wants to be gay, so be it. You don’t have to agree or approve of their choice. A person openly stating they are gay does not in any way, shape, or form shed years off our lives. If you believe it’s an abomination, then go ahead. If you want to march in a rally for gay rights, more power to you. The lifestyle won’t go away just because you get mad at it. Tolerance goes a long way. So believe what you will, continue with your lives, and recognize everyone has a right to express themselves regardless of whether you consider it tasteless or not. So long as it doesn’t imply or encourage hatred toward any group.
May 14th, 2008
at 10:04 pm
Eirik, shut the fuck up. Let gay people be who they are. Oh and don’t generalize all of them as people who are looking to corrupt kids with their lifestyle. I had a gay friend and he never touted that he was gay or even did anything disgustful. If he didn’t admit it, you wouldn’t be able to tell
the difference. If you don’t approve of their lifestyle, then don’t, but try not to show so much hatred toward them. We have enough damn hate in this world as is.
May 14th, 2008
at 10:46 pm
So by Erik’s standards it’s okay for kids to be subject to a random stranger saying he’s going to “#$%^” your mom, sister, girlfriend, etc. Or throw out slander not knowing a thing about you, or spam hate messages to your account, but seeing “gay” is evil or a sin?
Yeah okay, being PC has nothing to do with it. It’s called being EDUCATED. If you don’t prefer a certain demographic? That’s fine, it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But don’t give me this BS religious evil crap. At one point in “religion” certain ethnic groups were thought to be animals, savages and not have souls, make sense of that?
There were doctrines against people that were tied directly to the “good book” and religous cause that says to love others, do unto them what you want done to you, and to NOT JUDGE. It’s funny how that works out.
I’m sorry Erik but your comments scream of generalization bedding with BIGOTRY, saying ALL homosexuals want to use young people for gay acts, is like saying all urban hispanics like to steal cars, or all blacks are criminals and shady characters, or all native americans care about is getting drunk, or that all european girls are easy, and so on and so on.
I can’t stand by and read some ignorant shit like that and not at least try and through some reason in the equation.
And then you throw in the fact that in the “good book” it says that if you accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour you’ll be saved. So if I’m a devout, perfect Christian but I prefer men I’m going to hell?
Hmmm… if you adhere to the “rules” that hold whatever religion you study (and I’m pointing mostly at Christianity here), then there’s a lot of us that are going to “hell”.
I mean nobody is perfect and everyone has skeletons in their closets, we are human after all.
/end rant
May 14th, 2008
at 10:48 pm
And for the record I don’t prefer men, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
May 14th, 2008
at 10:55 pm
Eirick:
First off if being is a choice…. then for one you are saying you are gay but choose to be with women, because it is a choice you aren’t born to be str8 or gay. Second to assume that all gay people like to be with children is an off shoot on it’s own, again that means you like little girls because you are str8………..
As for the gamer tag, someone who is openingly displaying their preference should expect to be pin pointed and called things, not saying it is right, but it is expected and for example look how degrading this Eirick person is….. some ppl have no respect at all!!!!!!!!!!
If you block the tag, then out of sight out of mind…….. if you have to explain to your ‘children’ about this, then bad parenting because most games are for ‘Mature’ audiences….. (and again not all gamers that are of age are mature, for example Eirick)…………
May 14th, 2008
at 11:03 pm
What frustrates me is the likes of Nick who claim that gays “tout” their sexual preference and impose it on the rest of the world at large.
Assuming they do, is it any wonder? With the amount of repression and hatred, as desplayed by some of the posts here, it is no wonder that someone may overcompensate or struggle to find validation in a world that is so hostile to them.
May 14th, 2008
at 11:37 pm
Good. Gays shouldn’t exist anyway.
May 15th, 2008
at 12:45 am
Well maybe Microsoft is wrong to make this guy change his gamertag, but is it really that big of a deal? I mean come on this guy is far better off having a run-of-the-mill gamertag that says nothing about his sexual orientation than having one that proclaims it to the rest of the Live community. Its just a bad idea to have a gamertag that lets the whole community know you’re gay, because many people online aren’t mature enough to handle that, and as a result you just make yourself a target. This guy should just change his gamertag and let it be, and I’m absolutely sure that he’ll have to mute a lot fewer people the next time he plays.
May 15th, 2008
at 12:46 am
I find it so ridiculous that alot of ( uneducated ) people think that being gay is a choice…well i pose these questions to you, if you really think its a choice try to imagine yourself choosing to be gay…does it feel natural to you?, no of course it dosnt because there is no way a person could just choose to be gay (or straight for that matter) and be comfortable with it if it isnt natural to them, also why would someone “choose to be hated the world over and choose not to have the same rights as every other person or why would a person “choose” to die for a “choice”?
some people have an utterly stupid and moronic way of thinking.
May 15th, 2008
at 12:50 am
patrick i see your point but we shouldnt feel that there is a “dont ask, dont tell” policy when it comes to gaming….the more people get used to the fact that gay people, both male and female, play games the less of a taboo it’ll be.
May 15th, 2008
at 1:27 am
what if i’m jewish… and a pastry baker… and my tag is jewbaker… is that ok?
no, it would get reported in 5 seconds flat. this guy’s tag is offensive, and him actually being gay doesn’t make it ok.
May 15th, 2008
at 2:00 am
@common sense
I doubt you’ll be back to read this but you’re saying that the term gayer or the word gay is insulting in some way. jewbaker is an insulting term, gay is not. If his name was thefaggiergamer, then fuck yes that should be band because fag is an offensive term to gays and straights. Gay is not a curse word or offensive in any way unless you find someone being gay offensive.
May 15th, 2008
at 2:01 am
See f-g is offensive and gay isn’t. Even our bleeping starring system knows that and it’s just a computer.
May 15th, 2008
at 3:25 am
First off, there should be mods in LIVE. I don’t have an xbox or have had a lot of time to sit down with the service considering the fact I have a ps3. But, from what I’ve heard, many gay people do parade their beliefs and sexuality on LIVE. Many of my friends tell me about how they would come into a room and ask people for their address and number and where they live in hopes to have sex with them. Mind you all of this is said clearly over a game of COD4 or Halo. In that fact, it’s harrassment. Plain and simple.
Two, it is wrong to hate them, but who would get fustrated if you’re constantly bombarded with invites to for a blowjob from another guy. You’d be a little pissed too so dont front.
Three, the guy should of known he was going to receive backlash from the community especially if he’s openly saying he’s gay. He’s a walking bullseye if he does that so he only brought that on himself. LIVE is a GAMING community to connect players with the same interest in games in hopes to play with one another, not talk about how horny you are and how you want to suck on another guys penis.
Lastly, there should be mods in each room for every game that is used by LIVE. If M$ prides themselves on having the best community gaming space ever known to man, you’d think they’d make it a little safer for the 1% who aren’t college kids and mid-age men.
May 15th, 2008
at 3:42 am
If you had to wear a name tag at work or out in public what would it say? Gay Employee? Who cares if your gay? Why do you have to label yourself gay?When you meet someone new is that the first thing you tell them? I don’t see any “heterosexual” tags out there because no one cares! If that’s how you define yourself then you’ve got bigger issues than your gamertag.
May 15th, 2008
at 4:02 am
Come on, the first insult you hear - probably within the first ten seconds of signing into a multiplayer lobby - is “you’re gay” or “this game is gay”, etc. If someone is actually offended by the word, they have no business being on Xbox Live, let alone complaining about it. This is obviously some little twerps trying to get payback for getting their asses kicked online.
May 15th, 2008
at 4:04 am
Meanwhile, gamertags like “Coxxorz” are all over the place. Don’t draw attention to yourself, and nobody will have cause to retaliate against you like that.
May 15th, 2008
at 4:56 am
Why can’t Microsoft and the rest of the XBox community let him be proud of who he is? I mean, it’s not like he’s coming onto other male gamers and headset-raping them.
May 15th, 2008
at 5:15 am
first off, I don’t hate gay people, however I do think the question should be asked ” why would a person create a gamer tag that implies sexual preference on XBL knowing full well that he may at some point interact with children on the network” . Creating online user names that describe one’s sexual characteristics is something that is done on adult online communities for the purpose of arranging dates or sexual encounters. I don’t think XBL is an appropriate space for such practices
May 15th, 2008
at 8:32 am
Kerry, thats exactly what I was going to say. Why in blazes, in a gaming platform, should anyone proclaim their sexual preferences?
Seriously, there are millions of underage kids online, there is no need to push to them mine or your sexual fantasies.
I seriously dont have a problem with gay people, as long as they dont hit on me.
but I hate the fact that some of them dont show some decency.
if i liked lets say bondage (or any special thing in sex), would i go around proclaiming it?
in a mating site maybe, but not at the bar, the caffee or an online service full of kids!
May 15th, 2008
at 9:09 am
Wow, a lot of the comments here sadden me. Why can’t a gamer call himself “gaygamer” or something like that? It’s not that he wants man on man sex during a round of Halo 3… So a female gamer can’t show that off in her tag as well? And maybe it is good for all those millions of underaged kids (like their parents have absolutely no obligation to keep them safe online?) to see a strong and normal gay rolemodel.
May 15th, 2008
at 9:45 am
I’m all for gay rights but honest to god, HALO ISN’T THE PLACE to bring your sexuality into.
I support practically every gay right you can possibly imagine (marriage, adoption, everything!) yet I strongly dislike when people bring sexuality into this. How many times back in the day have you been playing NHL 94′ with a group of friends, friends only to inquire about someones sexuality?!
Have you ever asked anyone if they were gay on battlenet?!!
*KEEP IT OFFLINE*
Supporting gay rights or not, I don’t need to know your sexual orientation when I hop online to play something. All he did was draw needless and unnecessary attention to his personal lifestyle and I can only agree with Microsoft’s decision.
May 15th, 2008
at 9:49 am
Frankly I can see both sides to the argument here and its a tough one to call but lets at least admit that for some people alternative sexualities will always be a point of aggravation. I hasten to add that I don’t include myself in this category and although i don’t agree with these people i do respect their right to an opinion.
That being said although I fail to see where ‘Xbox live’ and peoples sexual preferences or leanings have any crossover or connection. I also think that too much focus has been given here to the fact that the word gay appears to have been targeted rather than perhaps considering that it was the sexual nature of the word that was the primary concern and not homsexuality itself. Granted that the word has many other meanings outside of the homosexual community but considering the huge gay pride banner up there we can assume they where not the meanings intended or implied. Frankly i can think of many other words that have double meanings that could just as easily be targeted by the mods for being inappropriate.
Lets also remember that young kids play xbox live and although i dont think they need to be shielded from gay people i think parents have the right to feel that their kids come into contact with them in a time and place that they feel is appropriate. Although i also agree with previous comments about children playing unsupervised.
If it was me i’d show my ‘pride’ changing my tag and keeping my head held high, because frankly i dont need microsoft to validate my status as a human being in any way.
Its hard make this not sounds like a one sided argument. I guess my main point is. Play games. Have fun. And lets keep all the politics off the table.
May 15th, 2008
at 12:25 pm
Being gay is none of my buisness, I don’t think it should be advertised that you like to have sex with same gender. so I think Microsoft did the right thing. It should be agianst privacy laws to advertise your sexual orientation in your gamertag period. It something that is private and should be kept in the bedroom, I’m tired of the people who are homosexual trying to push it in everyones face, for those who don’t a resounding thank you.
May 15th, 2008
at 12:42 pm
If the word gay is being banned for its sexual innuendo, then lets proceed to the word straight, bi and all other forms that are in gamer tags that suggest sex, race and color. Soon you will be just 232736A. Real pretty. The word gay is used all sorts of ways and I see no problem in it. If Microsoft is going to do something, then put it in the parents hands on words they want filtered just like the website url filters.
May 15th, 2008
at 2:18 pm
I can’t believe you people still use live. I mean it’s a MS product and you expect them to give a shit. Maybe if you keep throwing your hard earned money at them bent over in the proper position you might see some results! As long as your loyal to MS your going to be bent over for a long time so get used to it.
May 15th, 2008
at 4:34 pm
Petey
“Eirick:
First off if being is a choice…. then for one you are saying you are gay but choose to be with women, because it is a choice you aren’t born to be str8 or gay. Second to assume that all gay people like to be with children is an off shoot on it’s own, again that means you like little girls because you are str8………..
As for the gamer tag, someone who is openingly displaying their preference should expect to be pin pointed and called things, not saying it is right, but it is expected and for example look how degrading this Eirick person is….. some ppl have no respect at all!!!!!!!!!!
If you block the tag, then out of sight out of mind…….. if you have to explain to your ‘children’ about this, then bad parenting because most games are for ‘Mature’ audiences….. (and again not all gamers that are of age are mature, for example Eirick)…………”
If its not a choice to be gay(and there are those who choose it), its in the brain. The right calls it a choice because its no longer politically correct to call it a disorder. Functionality- we do what our bodies are designed to do. Men and women were designed to connect, both being born with the tools for the job. People say about homosexuals, let them be who they are. I say let them be who they are without denying ‘what’ they are- that is, built for the opposite sex. I could choose to walk on my hands all my life and handle objects with my bare feet. If I do so its nobody’s business but my own, however its not acceptable behavior most places and I should realize that and expect no accommodation. People can tolerate me, yes. Should they have to accept that I’m just that way? no. because I’m perfectly capable of using my tools the right way, even though its not “who I am”
You are absolutely right, anyone who calls themselves that on xbox live “should expect” to be pinpointed and called things. This is where Microsoft is right in their actions. Its not that the gamertag is of a homosexual nature, its that it is openly stirring up trouble. I would expect the same of any gamer who named himself RushLimbaugh#1Fan.
just an honest look at the world as I see it
May 15th, 2008
at 5:07 pm
OK, Im into toilet sex, poop and pee, now ask yourself, did you really want to know that?
Same for guy on guy anal sex, no one wants to know what people do in the bedroom seriously.
May 15th, 2008
at 8:19 pm
Of all the things that happen when using Live, seeing the word ‘gay’ used in a tag really should not be on Microsoft’s ‘fix it’ list.
May 16th, 2008
at 9:21 am
Gay means happy and bright. Doesn’t it? This is 1955 isn’t it, back when homosexuality was illegal? Oh no wait, we are living in the 21st century. If some who is gay wants to say “HI I’m gay” then so what? What difference does it make to your life?
Here in England I often see a poster that says “Some people are gay. Get over it.” Nuff Said.
And to Se Ajala who said “that all european girls are easy, and so on and so on.” (read the full comment to get the context, he wasn’t being rude.) Is that really a perception in America? Wow! Why did no-one tell me? >Boo hoo. Sob<
May 25th, 2008
at 6:43 pm
you guys seems to be all over the place with this issue…
there is the bigots, the “homosexuality is a choice” guys, and the straight guys who don’t mind gays as long as they don’t hit on them…
well, as a gay gamer, i have to say, kudos for this guy proclaiming his sexuality in his gamertag. and it should have not been censored. it is the same if the gamer was a female and incorporated that into a gamertag. the point of the name probably wasn’t for controversy, but to show that despite being different, he is still the same as the rest of the community.
oh, and to anyone who believes homosexuality is a choice, then go on, be gay for a day. you can choose it right? then go out with a guy for a night and then the next day go be straight again the next day… see how you like it. the point is, you can’t do it and enjoy it because you are straight. it’s just ingrained in you to like women, and that’s OK. so it should be OK for me to like men, not because i choose to, but because it is my nature…
and to the guys who don’t mind gays as long as they don’t hit on them, don’t worry most of us won’t, because you are not going to be putting yourself in the situation to be hit on, like at a gay club or hangout. if you do go to gay hotspots… then expect to be hit on. besides, i have a feeling that most gays won’t be out looking for guys who frequent LIVE anyway…
June 7th, 2008
at 12:32 am
‘A Gay Gamer’ wrote EXACTLY what I was planning to write while reading this page.
July 13th, 2008
at 9:34 pm
Well this shows how “Responsive” Microsoft is. and watch i bet that anyone with the words Lesbian or Lezbo will still have their gamer tag while a gay boy proud of his own sexual identity is forced to change his gamer tag because of retards saying that gays shouldn’t be allowed on xbox live. its those type of people that need to be banned from xbox live. this is why they need to start over hearing our xbox live conversations to filter out the innnocent from the idiotic.
July 23rd, 2008
at 8:00 pm
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October 4th, 2008
at 9:39 am
The “Yo for Microsoft” camp seem to be carrying around a lot of resentment about homosexuality and do not appreciate it being “in your face” as a username. Fact is, homosexuality has been part of the warp and weft of human society since civilization began and probably long before that. It does get a mention in the Bible of course, thrice, compared with scores of admonitions about heterosexual misdemeanors, but it does get a mention. Then there’s the well documented proclivities of certain ancient Greeks and right the way through recorded history, pretty much up until the 19th century in the west when christian puritanism made sex in general a dirty word. (The Victorians made up for it in spades in their private lives of course - prostitution may be the oldest profession but it took the Victorians to turn it into an industry) Contrary to ta least one poster here, homosexuality is an accepted part of some cultures. Certain tribes in Papua New Guinea not only condone homosexual liaisons but they are part of the hierarchy in the tribe.
The culture or more properly “sub-culture” of homosexuality is evident in pretty much every society that ever bothered writing things down. As one porter reminds us “Some people are gay. Get over it.” Some people are white, blind, deaf, mute, black, smart, teenagers, retired etc. etc. or just plain stupid. WGAF if they include whatever part of their status they consider to be defining in a username. Personally, I think it a bit lame to be so one dimensional and would put it on a par with having a name like “Iluvsmybush” or “rednecks’r'us”. Or “Homophobe”.
So, why all the resentment? Is it fear? Is it loathing? If it is, then it is a fear or loathing that has come about very recently in historical terms. Shakespeare (what a fag was he!) wrote of Henry V’s particular sorrow at his betrayal by Lord Scrupe because, as Exeter tells us, they were “bedfellows”. Now, if The Bard, in telling one of the stonkingly great tales of the heroic leader defeating upstart mongrels (who happen to be French, sorry - flavour of the century) thought he could get away with revealing the fact his leading man had a fumble with his boyfriend then I think the Elizabethans had a rather more rounded and balanced view of human nature than is presented by the powers that be at Microsoft. There’s progress for you.
October 4th, 2008
at 9:59 am
I am at a loss to understand why the word “f a g” (that’s “eff ay gee” if the spaces don’t get around the code) has been censored by some mindless script. I should say some mindless programmer who wrote the script, or some mindless committee who drafted and approved the guidelines for what is admissable and what us not. The three letter “f” word is okay, trust me. It is almost exactly equivalent to the term used by homosexuals to describe their straight brethren - “breeder”. You gonna add that to the bad words list? Aside from which f a g is vernacular for a smoke across the pond. If you need to censor, then its ideas you should be looking out for - and woe betide you if you do. This PC nonsense has gone too far already and we run the risk of namby pambering our youth in an ideological sense in the same way we isolate thoer immune systems from exposure to valuable learning. Result? Asthma. Poor resistance to disease. Allergic sensitivity. If you want to censor words then I suggest you add “crevice”. It’s positively filthy.
January 19th, 2009
at 9:08 pm
Eirik, you are so stupid. saying i wasn’t born gay is like me saying you wern’t born straight. So your saying one day you could wake up and say i want to be gay today no thats not how it works. Your saying were evil the only one that sounds evil here is, you. Im gay and i play on xbl and you played halo 3, CoD 4, waw, or exspecially tf2 or gta 4 i could kick your @55. so yeah think before you talk