Arthur Damian | Executive Editor
Arthur Damian is a full-time Admissions Coordinator for Lehman College, working in the Office of Transfer Evaluations. At 33 years old, Arthur has a BA in English, and loves to read and write. Videogames have been an important part of his life since he was 5, from the Nintendo Entertainment System all the way up to the Nintendo Switch. An avid reader of gaming blogs, Arthur likes to keep up to date on all the happenings of the gaming world, and has his own blog on Destructoid's community forums. His favorite system is the Super Nintendo, and his favorite games are Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Silent Hill 2, Resident Evil 4, Super Metroid, and Rocket Knight Adventures, among many others. When he isn't working or reading up on games, Arthur enjoys drumming along in Rock Band 4, the game that keeps on giving and has the honor of being one of the few games of which he has never gotten tired. Arthur has a vast knowledge of games, movies, and music, and he was always looking for ways to use it in real life applications. Arthur currently resides in Brooklyn, New York.

Kristen Spencer | Editor
Kristen Spencer currently toils the days away as the Media Director for a local non-profit, serving as graphic designer, media planner, copywriter, webmaster and the go-to girl for any tech related issues, which means she spends at least 10 minutes of any given day turning things off and on again. But the written word is her true passion. Not the sweaty kind of passion. She has 10+ years of experience reporting for various newspapers, magazines and websites, including The Florida Times Union, Folio Weekly, The St. John’s Record, Ponte Vedra Lifestyle Magazine, CountGameula and ThatVideoGameBlog.

And yeah, okay, maybe it's a little sweaty.

When she's not working hard for the money, so hard for it honey, she's restoring her vintage Honda motorcycle, building her street photography portfolio, and playing story-centric video games. Kristen was raised on the Sega Genesis, but had a thing for Mario on the side, which psychologists believe to be the root of her current console fidelity issues. Thankfully, her PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, and Nintendo Wii are perfectly content in this polyamorous relationship. Meanwhile, the Ouya watches through the window, its tears mixed with the rain.

She and her twin sister, Lauren, both graduated from Florida State University with matching BA’s in English Literature, to compliment their matching DNA .

Cody Shults | Editor
Cody Shults has a PhD in neuroscience and is working in medical communications in Chicago. He has been writing for TVGB since 2012, but has been playing video games since he was 3 years old. Apart from writing about video games and science, he also enjoys reading and writing/playing music.

His favorite games of all time include The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and The Witcher 3.

Andrew Burrage | Editor
Andrew Burrage is a Florida native now living in Chicago, IL. Whether it involves pen and paper, boards, or PCs and consoles, Andrew likes to geek out with all kinds of games. As with many kids growing up in the 80s, his first dealings with video games started with an NES and a funny little Italian plumber. He has been hooked ever since and tries to get his hands on the latest and greatest whenever he can. Andrew prefers role-playing and strategy, and is a huge fan of puzzle and platform games. Any game with an engrossing narrative is sure to pique his interest; Bioshock Infinite and Mass Effect currently top his favorites.

Aside from gaming, Andrew loves to watch movies and has recently taken up building computers for fun. He enjoys reading science fiction and fantasy novels, and is an avid Game of Thrones fan (both the books and television show). Andrew has a B.Sc. in Chemistry from the University of Florida and is now trying to earn his PhD in virology. Andrew can be reached at @aburrage on Twitter.

Noe Ponce | Editor
Noe grew up in a magical time known as the 1990s, when the age of videogames was in full bloom. The original Game Boy had just come out in ’89, the Super Nintendo was released in ’91, and Pokémon in ’96. It was great time to be alive. Some of Noe’s most cherished gaming memories include summers spent at his cousin’s house playing hours of Streets of Rage and Sonic the Hedgehog, having his mom beat the first boss level in Super Mario World for him and playing as Diddy Kong in Donkey Kong Country with his dad.

Growing up with a controller in hand helped develop Noe’s overly active imagination. He would often fantasize about having super powers, magical weapons and awesome fighting skills, staging epic fight scenes in his head. As he got older, Noe developed a strong love of fiction and fantasy, which only further ignited his passion for gaming. It was through this adoration that Noe discovered his two favorite types of games, RPGs and Adventures. His top games being Final Fantasy VIII, Persona 3 FES and Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask.

Today, Noe now spends most his free time playing SMITE, Warframe and a plethora of Steam games he no doubt bought on sale. When Noe is not playing, talking or thinking about gaming-- just kidding, he is always thinking about gaming-- he is attending class, working out or spending time with his family, including his adorable two-year-old daughter Juniper, who has recently learned how to turn off his computer and does so at inopportune moments.

Jake Sapir | Editor
On the cutting edge of early 90's technology, Jake entered the world of gaming through edutainment titles like The Oregon Train and Number Munchers. His first true video games were Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Aladdin for the Sega Genesis (or Mega Drive) and he was hooked immediately. The very concept of playing games on the TV excited him, let alone such exciting ones.

As a child at the start of the 3D revolution, he only wanted one thing: a Playstation. But it was too expensive, so he decided on the Nintendo 64. That Nintendo 64 kid in the famous video? It isn't him, but it's a pretty good representation of his reaction on that birthday.

Constant trips to Blockbuster in the cold Chicago winter to rent Super Mario 64 were common until the game became easier to find. Then one day, reading Nintendo Power, he saw news of a game called Zelda. Nintendo was making a 3D Zelda game, and though he had no idea what that meant, he knew he had to get this game that people kept talking about.

From the moment he received the golden cartridge from his grandmother (who happens to be named Zelda), it was clear: Ocarina of Time was and still is his favorite video game ever.

Unlike the stereotypical Nintendo fan, though, his taste in games is varied. He splits his time between the likes of Skylanders, Forza, Destiny, Pokemon, and Kingdom Hearts. He is a proponent of many failed consoles, having spent countless hours with the, Neo Geo Pocket, N-Gage, Dreamcast, and even the Virtual Boy.

One step into his Chicago apartment shows his devotion, from the Master Sword on the wall to the Portal Gun on the shelf. An avid player of both video and tabletop games, he hopes to prove that not all accountants are boring.

Derek Bartnett | Senior Author
For 20 consecutive years, since his parents put a Nintendo Entertainment System in his hands (because who else could hook it up to the box?), Derek Bartnett has been in training for a career in gaming. His geek obsession with staying on top of the latest news and gaming trends can only be topped by his extensive knowledge in all things technology, movies and television. Derek is what you would call a classic early adopter. He requires all of the latest gadgets and gaming hardware, as soon as they become available, or he might just pass away.

Derek had an appreciation for video games as a child, but did not became a hardcore gamer until his thirteenth birthday when he was gifted with Golden Eye for Nintendo 64. Derek turned what is a 12 hour single player campaign into 350 hours over countless nights playing multiplayer with friends. Derek requires as many games as possible, across all platforms, in all formats. He's an advocate of all genres, but action adventure games have a special place in his heart, such as Dark Souls and God of War.

Derek is a graduate of Hofstra University class 2009 with a bachelors degree in Political Science. Derek currently resides in New York City, and is always in search for friends to game online with. PSN: Dseed, Xbox Live: Dseed86

Albert E | Senior Author
Albert is a trophy hunter with a ravenous appetite for role-playing games with breathtaking storylines. He also has a penchant for adventure games with innovative mechanics.

When he is not trying to earn feats in his PlayStation consoles, he may be playing some games on the PC or iOS.

David Logan | Senior Author
David is a native of Denver, CO who grew up at a time when the video game craze was just getting a foothold in the consciousness of young kids and teenagers all over America. His earliest exposure to video games was in the early arcades that sprung up in the late seventies and he has been in love with them ever since. He can remember going over to friends’ houses and playing games on the Odyssey, Intellivision, ColecoVision and the Atari 2600. It wouldn’t be until 1985 when his mother would get him his own console: the original Nintendo with Super Mario Bros. and Mike Tyson’s Punch Out. He was even one of the first kids in his school to receive the early issues of Nintendo Power Magazine and used the tips and tricks he found within to "up his gamer cred."
David has owned almost every gaming console since the original NES in one form or another except for maybe two or three and continues to collect consoles and game software to this day. At current he has and original NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Sega Dreamcast, Xbox, two Xbox 360s, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, DSi Lite, DSi XL, two 3DS XLs, two PSPs, and a Playstation Vita as well as a plethora of video game software to go along with each console. The next console he plans to purchase in the Xbox One.
When he is not playing video games (he likes all kinds), David is doing homework or spending time with his family. He also enjoys cuddling up with a nice, thick Stephen King novel. He is a freelance web and graphic design artist and loves to scour the Internet to see what his contemporaries are up to regarding new design styles and new design technologies. In addition, he spends several hours a day hitting his favorite video game web sites to see what is new and exciting with his favorite hobby.
His Gamertag and PSN ID is: BigDave300. Send him a friend invite!
David received his Bachelor of Science in Web Design & Multimedia in 2010 from Westwood College. He is currently working on his Masters of Fine Art in Web Design & New Media from the Academy of Art University in San Francisco, CA.

Bronsen Earl | Senior Author
Bronsen fell in love with gaming the moment that his GameBoy Color made its first ding. Even though his love of literature came much later he eventually found a way to mix the two through several papers and blog post. Being a native from New Orleans, Bronsen is easy going and carefree when it comes to life in general. He believes that everything happens for a reason, even if that reason is small and insignificant.

Some of Bronsen's favorite games include Borderlands, Final Fantasy VIII, Mirrors Edge, Skyrim, and anything with Mario. When he isn't in front of his t.v., Bronsen can be found reading self published novels or listening to indie music. He loves to support work that might not get noticed by the general population. Bronsen currently resides in Arlington, TX.

Monique Sheldrake | Senior Author
Monique is a full-time office grunt from Australia who lives with her boyfriend and her inecessantly talkative tuxedo cat.

At the soft and impressionable age of five, Mon was handed her first fat Playstation console and two games: Croc and Crash Bandicoot 2. Not long after she was given Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee and gleefully embarked upon a lifelong love affair with Playstation and gaming in general.

When she's not gaming, Monique enjoys playing guitar, cooking, drawing, writing, and befriending neighbourhood cats and dogs.

Will Georgiadis | Senior Author
Will is a full-time student in the prototypically British town of York (yes, that’s right: the original, not the ‘New’) who was introduced to the gaming universe through the medium of a PlayStation 2 with a remarkably well-made The Incredibles spin-off game and some classics from Lego and LucasArts. He is embarrassed to say that his love of gaming has only recently reached its stride, and more so to admit that a large portion of his teenage years were spent hurling insults at his classmates on every Call of Duty ever produced. Recently, however, his tastes have diversified, and he is currently enjoying the vast expanses of the Fallout and Metal Gear series, along with some indie gameplay on the recently-released Firewatch.

Will lives with 9 other people in a disproportionately small student house and is currently studying English Literature with a view to doing something with his life that may or may not involve a decent amount of writing and/or teaching. It’s a bit vague, really, but he can be forgiven. He’s a student!

Nick Christophi | Author
Hailing from the tiny island of Bahrain, Nick’s passion for playing video-games started at a very young age. Like many living in the third world, his first gaming experience involved a knock off gaming console; in his case, a knock off Nintendo gaming system called “The Family Game”. Although the console included almost every single game a kid could want to play at a young age, he eventually moved on to playing PC games like Half-Life and System Shock 2 on his family’s work computer.

He has since owned all of the Playstation consoles, and miraculously managed to not break, overheat, or hurt the feelings of the one flimsy Xbox 360 console he has owned since 2007.

Although Nick enjoys playing games of all sorts, he particularly enjoys playing games that are incredibly immersive. Games such as S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl, Far Cry 2, and games in the Mass Effect, Half-Life and Battlefield series, have all made him realize just how immersive and enjoyable video-games can be.

Nick currently resides in Ottawa, Ontario. He is also a talented musician who plays the bass guitar, and produces his own music in his makeshift home studio during his abundant spare time.

Ken Kee | Author
No one ever told Ken that the joy of gaming that he experienced as a kid was supposed to dissipate once he reached adulthood. He continues to enjoy every gaming title with the open-mindedness of a 10-year-old trekking on his first Gameboy Color Pokemon journey. Some of Ken’s personal favorites include Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, Link to the Past, Final Fantasy XII and Kingdom Hearts II amongst many other titles.

When he isn’t gaming, whenever that may be, Ken enjoys partaking in craft beers, trying out new foods/ restaurants, and simply writing for the sake of writing. He is also a huge pro-wrestling fan, and watches a variety of television and anime series. Ken’s love of music almost matches his love of gaming. He favors indie, alternative and electronic sounds. Ken currently resides in Washington, D.C.

Joel Campos | Author
Joel is currently working full-time as an architectural drafter in the suburbs of Chicago. He attended Southern Illinois University where he majored in architecture. While not working, he is usually found playing Xbox or watching sports. His passion for video games has brought him to write about them. His love for gaming started when he was about 5 years old and he first played NBA Jam for the Sega Genesis.

He currently owns a Gaming PC, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Playstation One, 3ds, Wii, Wii U, and a Gamecube. The Halo series is the series that made him realize that gaming was going to be a huge part of his life. Other favorite games include, Madden, NHL, Gears of War, The Legend of Dragoon, and Final Fantasy. Joel can be found on just about any platform playing video games almost every day.

Haya Borham | Author
At the age of 5, Haya started her gaming expedition by playing DOS games like Hocus Pocus, Cool Spot and Jazz Jackrabbit. At 17, an epiphany hit her while playing the opening sequence of AC Revelations: the video game industry is where she will end up working in - by any means necessary.

Her favorite games include Assassin’s Creed, Uncharted, Mirror’s Edge, Life is Strange and the Batman: Arkham series. She enjoys a diverse spectrum of game genres - whether it’s indie or AAA, she’s game!

Haya holds a BSc degree in Business Informatics, and was born and raised in Cairo, Egypt. She’s constantly driving her parents perplexed due to her obsession with what is irrelevant to her studies (i.e., video games - duh!). Even though she’s living in a 3rd world country, she’s en route to her dream by exploring opportunities in the only industry that makes her eyes light up.

Elizabeth Surerus | Author
Living in the beautiful Pacific Northwest, Beth thoroughly enjoys gardening and hiking, but secretly loves spending weekends curled up on the couch with her boyfriend and cats playing video games and watching movies or The Walking Dead. Professionally, she has been helping pets in the veterinary field for over 10 years. She's a die hard Playstation advocate, and you can usually find her playing games like Fallout or dying too many times in Call of Duty.

Her love of video games started with the original NES as a child, evolved to computer gaming (Warcraft & Left 4 Dead), and now usually involves the Playstation 4, or cell phone games when she's on the go. Her favorite video game of all time is The Last of Us, and she was fortunate enough to meet Troy Baker at Comicon in 2015!

Alyssa Vaughn | Author
When Alyssa isn't gaming, she's teaching high school Computer Science or locked up in her craft room sewing and marathoning British murder mysteries. She still owns a copy of Pokemon Red that has all 150 Pokemon, but she hasn't been able to find her Game Boy since she moved. It's quite tragic. She lives in Dallas, Texas with her husband and two dogs.

Chrissy Hoff | Author
By day, Chrissy is a freelance Virtual Assistant. By any other time, she is an avid gamer and proud nerd. Like many gamers from the 80s, she started her obsession with a shiny new NES she received for Christmas, often holing up in her room to play Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 2 until far past her bedtime.

Today, she strongly favors RPGs and fantasy games, and is a sucker for indie titles with interesting art styles. She will probably never give up her love for Final Fantasy VII and Legend of Dragoon, and continues to revisit the titles every few years.

Living in Hawaii with her husband and two cats, she enjoys random adventures of hiking and swimming, writing and reading about video games, and attending as many anime, comic, and video game conventions as she can.

Alex Southgate | Author
Hailing from Southport England, Alex started his gaming career in the late 80s on a Commodore 64. Since that time he's either owned or played on virtually every console released. Alex happens to be one of that rare breed of gamers just as happy and comfortable in front of a PC screen as a PS4 and has a massively diverse and eclectic love of genres.

We also think something may have snapped somewhere along the line as topping his favourite things to do in a game is getting killed. Rogue likes and games that make death not only a really good thing to do but mandatory are at the top of his love list.

When not glued to a screen as a gamer Alex is glued to the screen as a DJ, so picking the right gaming playlist is almost as important to him as actually playing the game. Evidently getting murdered to the right soundtrack is what all the kids are doing these days.

Garett Mefford | Author
Garett is a full time English student at Wright State University with a deep passion for gaming. He has been playing video games for as long as he can remember and that’s not even hyperbole.

Literally, his first memory is playing Super Mario Bros. on an old NES his parents bought for him when he was 4 years old.

From that point on, Garett strived to play as many games on as many different systems as possible. One of his favorite things to do was to start conversations based on games he’s played as well as offer critiques. When this hobby merged with his heavy interest in writing he started posting opinions to several different websites. Now you can find Garett writing on That VideoGame Blog or recording videos for YouTube about games that he feels particularly strong about.

Griffyn Pilcher | Author
Griffyn is a junior psychology major at Chapman University. His interest in video games began around age 7 when he played Age of Empires II at a friend’s house. His initial interest in RTS games has since expanded to include everything from CRPGs to multiplayer shooters. His top three games are Divinity: Original Sin, Rainbow Six: Siege, and Mass Effect (and he does actually enjoy the combat).

Griffyn was a hardcore Xbox 360 fanboy in middle school, but since then he has become something of a PC elitist. As a Seattle native, Griffyn was particularly upset when the Fallout Online project was shut down, as he no longer has the opportunity to see his city become a wasteland.

When not posted up in front of his monitor, Griffyn is usually in class, lifting, or playing Magic: The Gathering.

Allee McIntyre | Author
Allee is a recent graduate from Western Michigan University and currently holds a full-time graphic design position at Turnkey Merchandise Programs in Battle Creek, MI.

Her love for gaming started at the young age of 6 when she picked up a Super Nintendo controller and enjoyed hours upon hours battling Bowser in Super Mario World. Since then she has evolved through all the generations of Nintendo and Sony consoles, now playing solely on the PlayStation 4.

Her ultimate favorite game is the episodic game, Life is Strange. She even has a tattoo of it on her arm. Runner-ups to that include Borderlands, Fortnite, and Horizon: Zero Dawn.

Besides her passion for video games, Allee also lives for pizza, bad puns, and movies. Put all 3 together and she’s happier than when Sonic beats Eggman.

Brian Corliss | Author
Brian Corliss is a born and raised New Yorker who spent most of the ‘90s sitting much too close to the TV with an N64 controller in his hand. Christmas Eve 1996 was a pinnacle moment in his life, having no real idea of the concept of videogames, his grandfather bought him and his two sisters Nintendo’s hot-as-hell console with an extra controller and two games: NFL Blitz, and Mario Kart 64.

To this day, he remains unbeaten in both.

Balancing a life in NYC television production, an encyclopedic knowledge of film and Futurama, making a gym-membership worth the money, and a backlog longer than most proposed bills sitting in Congress, he manages to keep a smile and a laugh handy always. He swears it’s not the caffeine.

His favorite game series are Legend of Zelda, Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden, Kingdom Hearts, Borderlands and Metal Gear Solid. He frequently visits Montreal to see his girlfriend and will recommend you the best poutine. Tell him that” Fellowship of the Ring” is not the best in the series and he will tell you how wrong you are!

Ryan Wagoner | Author
Ryan's been a gamer from day one, since his first memory was sitting side-by-side with his brother entranced by the vivid colors and sounds of Super Mario World for the SNES.

When he's not glued to his computer monitor or TV playing games, Ryan works as a multimedia journalist in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. He also enjoys running his weekly Pathfinder group, seeing plays with his girlfriend Bentleigh and generally hanging out with friends.

John Hansen | Author
When John was 4 years-old, his mom bought a Nintendo 64 with Super Mario 64 and the rest is history. Since that day, John has fallen in love with countless gaming franchises and has dived deep into the varied experiences of the many different worlds.

Nowadays, John has a beautiful 4-year-old daughter of his own who loves Minecraft, Pokémon, and the Lego games. John spends most of his gaming time playing Overwatch or whatever new game he can find on his Xbox One, or when he is on the go he has his Nintendo Switch out most likely getting lost in Breath of the Wild.

Outside of gaming, John takes online classes for Ashford University where he is trying to get a Bachelor’s degree for Journalism and Mass Communication. He also started a Youtube gaming channel and is teaching himself how to edit videos.

Derek Danielewski | Author
Derek loves three things - gaming, rock music and tattoos.

He's 35, and has been gaming for over 25 years, since being given a Nintendo NES when he was 8. Since then he's played pretty much every console including the Neo Geo (look it up...). He's currently rocking a PS4 and runs a role play community for GTA5 where he gets to be a cop and put on funny accents.

Balancing a life running a social media agency, Derek likes to kick back and watch movies. Don't expect to see him watching a chick flick though.

If you can get him to put down GTA for five minutes you're doing well. So for a game to get his attention, it must be damn good. His favourites from the past have been Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Starfox, Elite and Metal Gear Solid. He swears that the best video game soundtrack of all time is GTA: Vice City.

Garrett Holton | Author
Garrett Holton is a full-time Videographer and Digital Media Editor for the Collin County Association of REALTORS®. Garrett recently received his Bachelor's of Arts in Electronic Media and Communications from Texas Tech University.

A 22-year-old from North Texas, Garrett loves to spend his spend his free time playing video games. Garrett first got into gaming in the early 2000's with the original PlayStation and the Nintendo Gamecube.

Now, primarily a PlayStation 4 gamer, Garrett has experienced a wide variety of mediums to experience different types of games. He prefers more story and character driven games like The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, and Horizon Zero Dawn.

Other hobbies include music, movies, hiking, cooking, and photography. Garrett has always had a passion for video games and loves to use his writing talents to share his passion with others.

Jaira Belmonte | Author
Jaira is Philippine-born, but grew up in the United Kingdom from a very young age. Having studied ICT and Dance hand-in-hand always confused people as to what she wanted in life, and now that she’s working her way to get her Bachelor’s Degree in Computer Games Development - it's not such a bad idea to keep fit while spending long hours behind a desk all day!

Aspiring to be a game story writer, classic PlayStation games such as Resident Evil and Prince of Persia has always inspired her to constantly be better and try harder in improving her techniques.

She spends most of her time writing, gaming and being a second mum for her baby sister. There wasn’t a time in Jaira’s life when the passion for writing has faded – she started creating stories over seven years ago and she will continue to create them for over seven more.

Zack Mellen | Author
Some say Zack was born with a Gameboy clutched in his hand, and they’re not far from the truth. A 23-year-old based in Ottawa, Ontario, Zack has been gaming for as long as he can remember. He graduated from Carleton University for his studies in English, and he’s known for quite a while that he wanted to write about games.

Some of his (many) favorites are Cave Story, Lisa: The Painful, Animal Crossing, Super Metroid, Link’s Awakening, and Undertale. He’s a huge fan of Nintendo and indie games, but he’ll play pretty much anything.

When he isn’t immersed in a game he enjoys reading, going for bike rides, and composing his own chiptune music.

Mike Husted | Author
Mike has been gaming since he was about 5 years old. Well, technically, he watched his older brother play for a while. And when he finally stepped up from spectator to player 2, he played with THAT controller, yes you know the one.

It wasn’t until he was about 8 that he truly fell in love with gaming. He managed to play Halo: Combat Evolved for the first time. Mike and video games have been living happily together ever since then.

His biggest gaming accomplishments was beating Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts (his favorite game of all time), and managing to Prestige TWICE in the yearly COD cycles.

His favorite games are Kingdom Hearts, Last of Us, Resident Evil 5, FFXV, COD:MW2, and ET for the Atari.

Gilad A | Admin
Gilad had been gaming for years (and we do mean years). Being nearly 40 years old Gilad had managed to play nearly anything from the old Atari 80 consoles to the latest gaming consoles.

Gilad is a technology "freak", always online and always reading and writing news. His real passion (also a kind of toy) is RC 3D Helicopters.

His favorite all times game? Well Siera's king quest's series :-)

Dane N | Admin
Dane started off gaming at the tender age of 3 with the first Atari console. His favorite video game genres are turn-based RPGs (can I get a shout out for Tactics Ogre?) and fighting games. Dane has been obsessed with the Street Fighter IV series for the past 4 years, and attends EVO every year. He hopes to one day get into the top-64 there.